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Mario Garza went deep and wide about Saturn in conversation with me on The Natural Wisdom Podcast. Mario, founder of Symbolic Studies, artist, and graphic designer shared his considerable research and wisdom about symbolism in general as well as Saturn in particular. Mario began by explaining the problems we see in so many conversations about symbols, and why his research is founded in a traditional approach: there is a great deal of picking and choosing associations between things “out there”, as at the circumference of the circle, with no reference to a center of origin. To truly understand a symbol (and life), we need to know the center around which we orient ourselves.Among other topics, we discussed – * Symbols as bridges;* The importance of finding your own sacred center;* The main principle of Saturn as the return to center, and how it has become the scapegoat in so many places today;* The association of Saturn with Judaism, Zionism and Israel in today’s politicized world;* The “solidification of the world” and fall from grace behind so many crises today.The author Mario recommends for a deep study of symbolism is René Guénon, including his book “The Crisis of the Modern World”. You can find links to all of Mario’s publications on his website, including his wonderful podcast Symbolic Studies, which offers sweeping episodes covering the Zodiac signs each month: https://www.symbolicstudies.comIn our online program starting next week, Reclaim Your Life with Saturn, Tammy Roth and I will be guiding people into a direct connection with Saturn. We’ll combine astrology and family constellations to support re-writing the stories creating tension and limitation, and preventing us from fully honoring ourselves. Registration closes Sunday night, October 4th and we begin on Friday, October 9th!Mario Garza is a lifelong artist and graphic designer of twenty five years currently living in the Pacific Northwest. Over the decades Mario developed a serious interest in visual, archetypal and esoteric symbolism. Mario has integrated a number of topics in his research including: The tarot, mythology, astrology, etc. His passion project, Symbolic Studies, was created as an outlet to explore these topics starting with the signs of the zodiac as a loose foundation.Watch our first conversation about Saturn here:Watch Mario’s conversation with his (then-fiancé) wife Michelle on “The Lost Lore of Saturn” that first piqued my interest in Mario’s work:Reclaim Your Natural Wisdom is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit kristinebackes.substack.com/subscribe